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August 28th, 2002

no sköo for me. @ 06:06 pm

Current Mood: hungry hungry
Current Music: Bee Gee's, Stayin' Alive

I went to the SJSU campus yesterday, getting kind of eager to take classes to finally finish my undergrad work... and then I started reading things more closely. There'd be all sorts of extra lower-division courses I'd have to take, and possibly some required in-residence ones. There may or may not be a waiver, but the catalog went into no detail at all and just spouted some pseudo-legalese. Not encouraging.

Actually wandering around the campus was the clincher, though. The crowd seemed very young (like, up to twelve years younger, imagine that) and... kinda dumb. When I looked into some of the classrooms, they looked like they could have been straight out of high school. The tones the profs were using were (in a bunch of cases) clearly "down to" the students. I've been spoiled by being competent at what I do, and I don't know how well I could take that sort of thing these days. Looks like no (more) college for me for a while.

Looks like I'll have to start using the watercolors (and possibly start writing) after all. :)

 
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From:zunger
Date:August 28th, 2002 06:34 pm (UTC)
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It makes a big difference which place you go to, though... if you go to a large state university (like one of the UC's) there's a very different group of students and a very different interaction with the professors. Those places are also often better about exempting requirements when needed, especially if you can get a faculty member to sponsor it...
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From:moof
Date:August 28th, 2002 06:56 pm (UTC)
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Yeah, all the colleges (six, so far!) I've attended have all felt quite different. SJSU is close by, which was its main appeal. I'm now wondering if I'm going to be in once place for the two-four years it'd take to even bother applying anywhere, much less taking classes.

I think I may be beyond the point of being able to deal well with college-style education; I want to learn by doing at this point. (I'd probably make a good grad student. :) )
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From:weezyl
Date:August 28th, 2002 09:10 pm (UTC)
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Even major state schools, imho, run the risk of having professors that talk down to their students, particularly in lectures for survey-level courses. After teaching at UIUC, I've learned that while there are always a handful of students who are motivated and brilliant, there's a vast majority who are there because they have to be - and a frightening number of students who think they ought to get an A for paying tuition.

To be honest, you're one of the most intelligent people I've ever known. Thinking about you sitting in a class of mine - a discussion section for an entry-level class - breaks my heart, because you'd be bored to tears and frustrated with your classmates. You'd make a fantastic graduate student, or even an upper-division student, but they keep making you take demoralizing and unmotivating survey courses.

I think you should create your own lab, your own studio, something where you can experiment and learn without having to deal with folks who don't want to do either.
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From:zunger
Date:August 28th, 2002 09:21 pm (UTC)
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You'd definitely go mad locked up with the frosh; remember that those courses are designed for 17- and 18-year-olds fresh out of high school and with little clue. But if you're coming in as a transfer, to finish a degree, it's likely you can either get exempted from all of the intro-level requirements, or (since you have substantial experience beyond that of a high school student) that you can convince them to allow you to substitute higher-level courses for lower-level ones. It takes a bit of politicking to achieve that, but it's quite doable, especially if you're an older student and obviously know what you're doing.
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From:naughtykitty
Date:August 29th, 2002 04:40 am (UTC)

I don't blame you

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I started work on my mastyers of libarary science degree at SJSU. I loathed it. I completed 2 classes and ditched after starting 2 more my second semester there. I didn't like the profs, I didn't like the campus, I just didn't like the whole atmosphere there.

Now I am enrolled in a masters of library science program at the University of Pittsburgh and it is WORLDS better.
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From:naughtykitty
Date:August 29th, 2002 04:43 am (UTC)

Re: I don't blame you

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Heh.

And yes, I truly can spell library, I can!
(People spelling/pronouncing it incorrectly is actually one of my pet peeves - oh the irony)

It's just early in the morning. Yeah, that's the ticket ;-)
From:phoebek
Date:August 29th, 2002 03:01 pm (UTC)

Re: I don't blame you

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Can you spell masters?
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From:naughtykitty
Date:August 29th, 2002 03:06 pm (UTC)

Re: I don't blame you

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Heh - no, apparently I cannot spell that either.

They are going to come and rescind my B.A. (what the hell, I was an art history major, not an English major ;-)
From:phoebek
Date:August 29th, 2002 11:11 pm (UTC)

Re: I don't blame you

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: ) I don't think they teach spelling in English majors. Though some former co workers of mine did used to joke, "Hey, didn't you major in, like, spelling?" (I majored in Rhetoric.)
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From:syntheticsweets
Date:August 29th, 2002 08:21 am (UTC)
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Before graduating from SJSU I felt the same way about how young everyone was. They say SJSU is an older student population because it's a commuter school, but it didn't feel that way until I got to my upper level classes. I took a calculus class my senior year (I put it off as long as possible since I hated math) and I was in there with a bunch of kids that were getting better grades that I was since I was a bit rusty and showing me how to use my own damn calculator. I still go to the campus once in a while to talk to some of my favorite professors and I feel well out of place now.

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